M-1 Global, Fedor Challenge Brock Lesnar

Might as well call him out now. Just over a year ago, Brock was being tapped out repeatedly by Matt Hughes during training. Now he’s breaking faces and winning over legends.
If Lesnar beats the Nog/Mir winner, and especially if he manages to knock Nogueira out, I will have to say that Lesnar’s work ethic will put him above Fedor by 2010, and which point he will break his face to the point he needs plastic surgery to look the same.
Lesnar is not Randleman, not Cole, not some big Sambo guy with no other skill. He’s got superior reach, superior wrestling, superior strength, superior size, and compareable size and speed. As soon as he trains enough to become better on his feet and trains his sub defense more (by 2010), Fedor won’t be able to hang.

I know a ton of people diagree with me and are thinking I’m a Lesnar “nuthugger” after reading this. Say what you will, but I’m calling this now.

That is, comparable *striking power* and speed. He’s not some Hong Man Choi or Bob Sapp. Lesnar is like a sponge learning new skills. It’s just a matter of time.
If this fight never happens, Fedor will be an afterthought in the shadow of Lesnar. Lesnar will go on to beat many many people and I honestly feel that the general opinion in the future will become that Lesnar would have smashed Fedor had they fought. That’s what my “crystal ball” is telling me.

I think the afterthought will be that Fedor and M-1 attempted to make the match and the UFC dodged it because they are forever attempting to create a monopoly.  Fedor is one of a handful that have stepped up against the crippling contracts of the UFC.  After the title unification match there is no more heavyweights in the UFC.  They are all in Affliction.  Lesnar is as good as you say, but he is a big fish in a small pond when it comes to the heavyweight division of the UFC.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not all hyped up on Lesnar juice or anything, I just honestly feel that’s how history will look at this situation.
RIGHT NOW I completely agree. Even though Lesnar has the advantages I pointed out, right now that’s just not enough. Fedor would tear him a new one. But unless something happens like a big injury, Lesnar’s ability to quickly learn and improve will show to be his best asset of all and he’ll become better than Fedor.

And whether anyone wants to admit it or not, history isn’t going to agree with hardcore fans. The mass media still doesn’t know who the hell Fedor even is. They’ll take one look at Lesnar and his record in the future, compare to Fedor and his challenge made, and they will say “Fedor was on drugs.” Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not, it doesn’t have to be. Hell just last night on TV I heard another Kimbo Slice reference on TV (NCIS) and look how shitty he is. Doesn’t matter. The masses think he’s actually good and if anyone has learned ANYTHING from history, it’s that the masses/popular opinion make the history books.

All this said, I want to clarify that Fedor is awesome, and for his sake sooner or later, he needs to fight in the UFC. He IS the best, but so long as that’s not widely known, his legacy is nonexistant.

I know I’m at it again commenting like hell, but does anyone else notice how great a story this all makes? Hollywood couldn’t script a plot this good.
A pro wrestler comes into a new sport almost universally hated by it’s deepest foundation of fans, yet brings in new fans of his own. He loses to a veteran only to be sneered at, people sighing relief because him winning would be “bad for the sport”, and telling him not to let the door hit him on the way out.
Instead of leaving, Brock learns the game at an enormous geometrical rate and rams those sneers down everyone’s throat, becoming the controversial UFC HW Champion (disputed). The foreign MMA fighter Fedor, considered the best, sets his eyes on the new celebrity star and issues a challenge, in his mind looking to debunk him completely. Many, who think Brock is mostly “lucky” in his win over Couture, want to see it.

This all reminds me of old school fighting movies where the American would go off to some Japanese secret underground tournament and be sneered, Americans being viewed as inferior fighters. The reigning foreign champion would be wildly cheered as the American underdog challenges him in the finals.

Lesnar IS that American, and all the hate, all the doubt, all the sneering is what makes me such a huge fan of his. I personally hope he continues training like hell and rises up to that challenge some day.

So what if the casual fan thinks Lesnar was better than Fedor? So what if Fedor’s legacy is nonexistent to the casual fan? Popular consensus alone does not give validity to a claim.

“if anyone has learned ANYTHING from history, it’s that the masses/popular opinion make the history books.”

No. Popular consensus among scholars, not among laics. And the difference between the two is that the popular consensus among scholars is achieved through evidential support, while popular opinion among laics [at least in your example] is derived from ignorance.

Other than that, the only disagreement I have with your opinion is that its entirely speculatory and hasty. Predicting each fight alone has a large level of uncertainty. E.g. Cro-Cop vs Gonzaga, not many saw that outcome coming. Now predicting how a fighter’s entire career will flesh out after only 4 fights and then claiming he will be viewed a certain way compared to another fighter, that’s just silly in my opinion.

I’m not sure if it is analogous to compare MMA to other sports. But there have been mounds of prospects in other athletic domains who like Lesnar started off great, and then fizzled. Lets wait until his MMA career is over before we draw conclusions.

fedor will be the top notch for awhile to me. i dont see lesnar beating him even in the next 3-4 years even.

HEy Anon…get off Lesnars nuts..It’s almost like Dana is paying fans to say great things about his new pets. We all know that once Lesnar loses his next fight or a few after that he’ll jump off the band wagon and start talking shit about him like he does about all the other former UFC fighters and champions. Fedor would kill Lesnar now or in 2010 and that’s what I"M calling now.

“that’s what I"M calling now.”

Good for you. Seriously, you all make it seem like my opinion somehow effects your in any way. You’re not going to change my mind, and I’m clearly not going to change yours. The difference is, I could care less what you guys think so don’t bother trying to attack mine. Just voicing my thoughts. And dibs on pulling this article up down the road to rub it in everyone’s face. :p

Fedor has one thing on Lesnar that he will never be able to catch him in. Speed. No matter how hard he trains he wont be as fast as Fedor. If this fight ever happened i believe that Fedor would put him down because standing, cuz 1 there is nobody in the UFC that is that big that is as fast as him. And 2 you cant train for Fedor because theres nobody out there that is like him. He is unique there is not one person in MMA that can create a game plan for him. Look at all the interviews of people hes beat “you just cant train specifically for Fedor.’ “Difficult to create a game plan.” Fedor would win with pure speed, he has that kinda speed (and power) that makes you think what happened when u get hit.

Why so much hype about Brock and Fedor ? Youd have to be one ignorant in the dark MMA fan if you were to even think Lesnar would do anything but lose quick in this fight. I will tell you how so much hype has come to Fedor through the UFC though. Cotoure needed a smoke screen to avoid fighting Nogueira. He leaves, announces retirement, Makes a final announcement that he wants only Fedor for his final fight ( knowing in the back of his head its not gonna happen, and he doesnt want it to happen ) Dodging Nog yet again. But wait, the 16-8 wonder of the world comes back in to fight Lesnar ( someone he thought he could easily beat ) but insted becomes the 16-9 wonder of the world, fact is Cotoure isnt even on the top 10 of MMA, oh i know they put him there in like 5th or something but even thats B.S. !! Now lesnar has the belt, which Im so glad he does, all in all it worked out for Cotoure because his cowardly azz avoided Nog. Unfortunately for Lesnar the same isnt going to hold true. Brocks got a more immediate threat other then Fedor. If anything it will me a classic Nog vs Fedor gihht again and we all know Nog isnt afraid to produce and hes only 2nd to Fedor and that was from years ago.

You may scoff at a 16-9 record, but nearly every one of those fights is against the best in the world at that time.  Randy knows he didn’t have much time left in his carreer and wanted to fight the best in the world as his legacy match.

The best in the world ??? lol you mean the best in the UFC…Cotoure went over seas for fights before UFC career, its the whole reason why his azz stays stateside now. Overeem tapped that azz and Nog tapped overeem and no no alistar though he mess up Cotoure too. !!!  Yeah Cotoure wanted to fight the best in the world my azz, he fought someone who wasnt even proven in MMA, someone whom Mir tapped…it just goes to show if fighter were WAR Cotoure is a draft dodger !  His only mistake in dodging was mistaking Lesnar as a for sure win. So spare me your useless knowledge on RANDY and actually any of mma even you even have the mentality to think hes fought “the best ” in “the world”  thats too funny. Got some ocean front property in indiana Ill sell you to.

P.S. Randy got owned twice by Chuck at L.H.  Hmmmmmm I know he had to cut weight but cutting weight doesnt changed your strength in grappling nor doesnt it change in how your heads taken off. In short you could put Chuck against Randy in the heavyweight division and the outcome is going to be the same as it was when Randy went to chucks division. The only semi descent fighter Randys fought has been Vitor Belfort, a fairly new rookie at the time who hadnt really been tested and who at the time wasnt even a brown belt in jiu-jitsu.

First off, lemme start by saying I’m far drom a Kimbo Slice fan. But the comment Anon made calling him “Sambo” is purely racist. You might as well call him N!993r. That crap should be left out ofsports blogs. Second, I don’t think Lesnar would beat Fedor three years from now. He looks like a baby in the ring, and Couture like Roy Jones, just had age catch up to him. That being said, he STILL manhandled Lesnar for a great deal of that match. I don’t think he can beat Nog at all either, he may be able to take out Mir if he can stop a submission, which still is yet to be seen. You guys jumping on the Brock wagon are a little quick on the trigger, he’s still extremely raw and only has one quality win versus an opponent nerly 50.

By the way, Chad, you know your stuff, tell it like it is.

Anon is the warrior but everyone else who posted comments here are just Brock’s haters who will cry when he wins his next fight again. Cry me a river bitches.

Anon nice comments. But it wasnt Fedor who issued that statement it was M1-Global. Just trying to hype up their next event. That match will never happen anyways.

Plus, Lesnar held the fence three times =p

The only thing Lesner has going for him is his size. Did anyone happen to watch the countdown to Couture v lesner it said in the story that when lesner started college wrestling he was not so great then in ONE year he gained forty pounds. There is one way to gain that kind of pure muscle weight Human Growth Hormone or HGH. As a nurse I know that HGH is secreted by the pituitary gland when this over secretion happens naturally the disorder can cause acromegaly which can then lead to giantism so I challenge you all to look up the effects of giantism for example very large hands and feet, abnormally large forehead and jaw and of course muscle growth. Most often this disorder starts in early childhood so extreme height is also an effect but if someone starts using it after the growth plates have sealed then height would not be as effected.  I feel that this sums lesner up well. So although lesner is a large man he is FAKE he does not deserve to be a mma fighter period. And as far as drug testing in the UFC, for someone who has been taking HGH for as long as lesner I’m sure he knows how to cycle off steroids so as to not piss hot. Brock Lesner sucks I hate that the UFC has billed him as the greatest heavy weight fighter ever. I don’t know if Fedor uses steroids but he certainly has not claimed such large gains in performance and size. If fedor decided to he would crush lesners over grown skull and send him back to “pro wrestling” where he belongs with the rest of the FAKE fighters. And yes I did see lesners big fat hands holding the fence continually. Yes, I know that sports have lots of steroid users however we are all pissed about baseball so why should we as mma fans accept a fighter who has had 3 fights and is now the heavyweight champion? I do not and I will not. Lesner needs to shut up and leave.

Chad you need to check your facts Cotoure fought in the UFC when it was still tournament style and won then when the UFC was unable to pay there fighters and mma was not popular here in the states Cotoure went over seas to fight and TRAIN to become a better fighter. And I don’t blame Cotoure for not accepting fights he was not getting fair pay fighters that were half as popular and not as good were being paid way more than Randy and when fighters are going out to entertain the fans and possibly get hurt in the process pay is a huge issue. Get off Randy if he is such a sissy then you fight him.

To “fightfan” you really need to work on your reading skills.  Anon didn’t call Slice “Sambo”? WTF?  Sambo is a martial art/sport, one that Fedor practices.  Anon was refering to some of the large Sambo practioners that Fedor has fought. Learn to read!!

And Anon, I think I agree with you for the most part.  I think it’s tough to argue that Fedor is not the #1 heavyweight right now; but Lesnar has been progressing fast and I know I’ll be interested to see what happens in his next few fights.

I have to say I am anti D.W, but still will give Brock a Golf clap. His story was enough to make me a fan not a big fan but I would pay to see him. He always complained about Mcman but its funny because Dana is just as bad they put a straw in you suck you dry and when they see no $$ your OUTTA there… I hope he does well in the UFC and would he beat Fedor? That’s a big NO. To bad UFC doesn’t do a flash back and hold a tournament like the first ones with Fedor & Brock, damm i member those fights the good OL days